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11.05.2019, 08:31

I understand that sometimes games are unbalanced but "balance" in this game has gone over the scale.
https://i.imgur.com/OkTKBHi.jpg
https://survarium.pro/matches/13257861

One thing is interesting to me:
In my team: Mevious - 2.5k elo 2/15
In oppposite team: 62рус 2.5k elo 25/6

Where's logic? Can VG explain this false rating statistics?
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11.05.2019, 12:57

You want me to explain once again how some people play good in one match and terrible in next?

Ventori:In my team: Mevious - 2.5k elo 2/15

However, this guy seems very weird.
avg kdr 1,03, avg score 152
plays almost exclusively TDM and there isn't like a huge spike with lots of 30/5 matches for him, constant 10-20/10-20 matches
I don't see him being 2,5k ELO player, unless whole ELO calculation has changed somehow...

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11.05.2019, 16:30

Many players including me always told, that this ELO system´s just pain in the ass and needs to be reworked or reset every leagues
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11.05.2019, 19:31

https://survarium.pro/matches/13259571
At the very least the 1st guy of our team should have been put into the other team because I was in a squad with Midas and M4rk0.
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11.05.2019, 22:57

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12.05.2019, 10:42

jule why you have so big ELO?
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12.05.2019, 10:58

Tanatloc:jule why you have so big ELO?


Better question, how does jule feel at 3k elo now ? I'm at 3244 right now and it's just sucking all the fun out of the game for me. You either have to carry the weight of most of your team or you just get absolutely roflstomped in a matter of minutes. Funny thing is, ELO just keeps rising and rising and rising, yet I'm definitely not on par with other 3k-3.5k players.
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12.05.2019, 13:45

The above mentioned can´t just be true after six years of development of this game, can it?
Can´t wait for someone from VG coming around and as always say: "There´s no problem with ELO at all, you´re just all overreacting and don´t have any clue because you´re no developer. Just shut up and play already."

Or what actually´s more funny´re answers like they give in Q&A´s: "Sounds interesting, we´ll take a look"
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12.05.2019, 14:38

Tanatloc:jule why you have so big ELO?

I have noo idea xD I have been watching my ELO rising for quite some time and I don't know why. But to be honest, @UnknownPlayer it feels as it always does. I can't recognize (even) worse balancing for now. Most matches are totally mixed, like the match posted above. But indeed as you said, either I get stomped or I and maybe one mate need to carry the whole team. That means there are many matches were I do get a very positive k/d ratio. And these matches pobably make my ELO rise just too much.
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12.05.2019, 14:53

When you lose, you're trying your best to win against better players than you, so I guess that's why your ELO keeps increasing even on Loss.
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12.05.2019, 20:15

RiotOfDoom:"-- and don´t have any clue because you´re no developer. Just shut up and play already."

RiotOfDoom:reset every leagues

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12.05.2019, 21:08

your ELO rises if you score more Points then other players (your Team+enemy Team)

if you lose but have highest Score your elo may drop by 1-3 or even rise aswell.

so ELO depends on win/lose and compared score.

scoring the "best Player" in almost every match let's your elo rise over time.

mine is 4100+, rises if im in good mood, falls if i lose a couple of rounds and have low scores.

if you have 3000 and your squadmate has 2500 but has more Points then you, you will lose ELO or at least get less added then him
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13.05.2019, 09:45

The MM in Survarium is going worst and worst a specially because of a one tier system.
If you are in a match without squad it is more or less ok, but I soon you there is a strong squad in the match the MM is totally unbalance.
To create one tier system was a big Mistake.
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13.05.2019, 11:45

And the 3 players squad even more...
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13.05.2019, 14:36

William-g:To create one tier system was a big Mistake.

No no no, I can't see how this was a big mistake. We can now use what ever gun we want without thinking about which tier it is. That's nice. Unfortunately the rest of equipment stuff (armor) was not balanced. It just doesn't make sense to use a tier 1 armor against Zubr or Bison. It's completely uneven, and I'm quite sure that this is a huge problem. It confuses new players and frustrates anyone else. And when I see admins in global chat, telling new players that tiers don't matter... well that doesn't help either.

From my point of view the two fundamental problems are (1) uneven squads and (2) the fact that people with an ELO of 2000 must play against people with an ELO of 4000, etc. This sucks. It just sucks and will always suck. It is unbelievable that VG burdens his players with such unfair matches. Yes yes the low player pool forces them to do that... but who forces them to put 8 players into one team, actually? Wouldn't it be logic to make smaller teams if the player pool is so low?? Or to think about other kind of MM? Like... no MM at all?
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13.05.2019, 16:05

https://survarium.pro/matches/13271270
Unwinnable match right from the beginning. Enemy team had a 3 player squad with close to 4K ELO players and a 4th player on their team had close to 4K ELO. My team had me and Hammer2Head and that's it. And I think even his ELO is not real because he's good but not THAT good. The 4th 4K ELO guy on the enemy team should have been on ours to even things out...
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13.05.2019, 16:10

Devs don't understand that "pros" squad are ruining the game...
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13.05.2019, 18:36

ike07 wrote:Devs don't understand that "pros" squad are ruining the game...

And then sometimes it's impossible even with a pro squad: https://survarium.pro/matches/13272139
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13.05.2019, 18:45

Chandrian:
And then sometimes it's impossible even with a pro squad: https://survarium.pro/matches/13272139

Good lord :D what a match. I think this is the moment where one of the devs should show up here and explain the situation, or admit that the MM is out of control.
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13.05.2019, 19:48

ike07:Devs don't understand that "pros" squad are ruining the game...

Idiots don't understand that they shouldn't have a chance against "pros"
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