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14.05.2019, 06:13

Kube:
Idiots don't understand that they shouldn't have a chance against "pros"


You are the idiot, if you don't understand that it's not normal to have 3 players squad in a game with such small teams and a so small and splitted playerbase.
And doing matchmaking with ELO is a nonsense in a game with bots.
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14.05.2019, 11:10

jule:
No no no, I can't see how this was a big mistake. We can now use what ever gun we want without thinking about which tier it is. That's nice. Unfortunately the rest of equipment stuff (armor) was not balanced. It just doesn't make sense to use a tier 1 armor against Zubr or Bison. It's completely uneven, and I'm quite sure that this is a huge problem. It confuses new players and frustrates anyone else. And when I see admins in global chat, telling new players that tiers don't matter... well that doesn't help either.

From my point of view the two fundamental problems are (1) uneven squads and (2) the fact that people with an ELO of 2000 must play against people with an ELO of 4000, etc. This sucks. It just sucks and will always suck. It is unbelievable that VG burdens his players with such unfair matches. Yes yes the low player pool forces them to do that... but who forces them to put 8 players into one team, actually? Wouldn't it be logic to make smaller teams if the player pool is so low?? Or to think about other kind of MM? Like... no MM at all?



Sorry but to reduce the tier from 5 tier to one was a big mistake it could have been reduce to two or 3 tier and it would have been better also not to base the tier on equipments but on Elo. But elo look broken.
I leave 3 game in a raw because even before the match start you know that you will loose with an high difference.
VG is unable and do not have the capacity to balance the match.
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14.05.2019, 12:28

William-g:... and it would have been better also not to base the tier on equipments but on Elo.

And that's where I agree with you. This is what I mean actually. This is also what VG has done, isn't it? Unfortunately it still doesn't work that good...
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14.05.2019, 13:37

William-g wrote:I leave game because even before the match start you know

I'm sorry but this is a very unsportsmanlike way of thinking. There are people who lose the pistol round in Counter-Strike Global Offensive and go AFK for the rest of the match, but what you're doing is even worse. Very badly balanced matches exist in this game, that's true, but it also has matches that somehow get balanced nicely or even those where you win even thought you thought it was lost from the start.
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14.05.2019, 13:46

Chandrian:
I'm sorry but this is a very unsportsmanlike way of thinking. There are people who lose the pistol round in Counter-Strike Global Offensive and go AFK for the rest of the match, but what you're doing is even worse. Very badly balanced matches exist in this game, that's true, but it also has matches that somehow get balanced nicely or even those were you win even thought you thought it was lost from the start.


First more I play Survarium worst is my latency, on next update it is again worst (I'm not the only one to who it happen) second but that it is a problem of my provider my internet connection is a disaster from 3 weeks with ping over 400 and jitter of 4. Now 10% of guy I hit have still 100% of life. So when you addition all of that plus unbalanced game, there is no pleasure to play.
Yes maybe there are balanced game, 20% not more and of course a top player find the game much well balanced than others.
But we know that balanced match isn't a priority by VG.

And it is better to leave than to be afk, because in Survarium when you are afk you can die 20 time.
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14.05.2019, 14:32

@ i was leaving matches too, because playing vs pro squad is really not fun, and with the low playerbase you can fall versus them matches after matches if you don't leave to avoid this, and because i was bored of the eternal same maps.

And the matchmaking time, the bad hitreg, the lag compensation, and finally the choice to loose, to be afk or to leave in several matches, and having a penalty delay and waiting to do another long matchmaking... killed all the fun.

The fact the cheaters have been banned one day and that some of them were laughing on the game chat make me rage more.

Finally i've found the ultimate solution, used buy a lot of new players, i've uninstalled it.
VG was right on one point, at the end there will be less afk and leavers ...
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14.05.2019, 16:25

https://survarium.pro/matches/13275686 - terrible match for us, basically 3v6 (6 players in their team had more than 200 points, only 3 on ours).

https://survarium.pro/matches/13276303 - terrible match for the enemy team, had no good players who would match our skill.
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14.05.2019, 16:36

Chandrian:https://survarium.pro/matches/13275686 - terrible match for us, basically 3v6 (6 players in their team had more than 200 points, only 3 on ours).

https://survarium.pro/matches/13276303 - terrible match for the enemy team, had no good players who would match our skill.


And as you can see the players from the opposite team had a lot of players to play.
You, WiziwiiG and M4rk0 on the same team make the match totally unbalanced.
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14.05.2019, 18:13

And they liked it i guess.
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14.05.2019, 18:38

ike07 wrote:And they liked it i guess.

No we don't. Usually strong players are not interested in playing against beginners (unless there is a desire to entertain their own ego; but such cases should be minimal).
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14.05.2019, 20:20

Chandrian:
Usually strong players are not interested in playing against beginners (unless there is a desire to entertain their own ego; but such cases should be minimal).

Well or maybe to grind for faction reputation more effectively? And there is currently a certain event.. you know :)
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14.05.2019, 20:24

jule:
Well or maybe to grind for faction reputation more effectively? And there is currently a certain event.. you know :)


that type of players just go to US servers and farm bots, far more efficient I reckon.
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15.05.2019, 06:55

No.

Wiziwig and his friends, for example, play near always in 3 players squad to dominate.
You can't say that you don't like this and doing it most of the time.
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15.05.2019, 12:55

ike07:No.

Wiziwig and his friends, for example, play near always in 3 players squad to dominate.
You can't say that you don't like this and doing it most of the time.


By your own admission you don't even play the game anymore, so you're probably not best placed to be commenting on these things.
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15.05.2019, 14:48

Someone who stopped to play this game can't explain why ? Lol
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15.05.2019, 23:35

I mean someone who doesn't play the game can't really comment on what other players are currently doing in game
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16.05.2019, 10:31

ike07:@ i was leaving matches too, because playing vs pro squad is really not fun, and with the low playerbase you can fall versus them matchehttps://survarium.com/en/games after matches if you don't leave to avoid this, and because i was bored of the eternal same maps.

I do not agree playing against pro is much more interesting, but when there is a balance between team.

Chandrian:
No we don't. Usually strong players are not interested in playing against beginners (unless there is a desire to entertain their own ego; but such cases should be minimal).


Please, that is why a lot "good" players where going to farm in lower level.


best balanced match for me was around 0.24. Actually not only the balance was better at that time.
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16.05.2019, 10:46

William-g wrote:Please, that is why a lot "good" players where going to farm in lower level.

What lower level? I equipped T2 the other day to play with 5-6 new friends that I found out trying out Survarium on Twitch and they were being put against T5 and getting rekt because of ELO difference. I had to switch accounts to be able to play with them and they were still getting matched against T5 even when playing alone because there are not enough players of their ELO (which wasn't that high) who'd also have their equipment tier.

The only reason people do 3 squads is because of apparent pro e-sports players like LuA or other ILS who need 2-3 bullets to kill you and you need 2-3 clips. If you play alone, you get stomped. If you play 2, it's not enough most of the time because you play against squads of 3 people or your team is feeding. If you play 3, sometimes it's not fun because you're winning with 50 point difference and shooting at headless chickens running around. A lot of people ask for bigger squads, but I think the contrary: squads should be limited to 2 to better balance the game and leave anything bigger to clanwars, which we now know that will come back eventually.
I don't know about you, but I like it when I'm matched with people of my skill, not lower than mine. I hate farming bots, I hate playing on empty rooms with 2v2 + bots, I hate playing against newbies because it's not fair for them.

Out of the latest poor decisions, the game was the best around the time where you were able to find X tier and X tier only matches, right before the tier merge. There you knew that if you had T3 you'd find T3 opponents and at least you had a chance and were not being put against people with 5 ping, macro, scopes, silencers or godlike reactions with 1 pixel dots on their Coyote collimators.
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16.05.2019, 10:48

William-g:
best balanced match for me was around 0.24. Actually not only the balance was better at that time.


Keep in mind that this game probably had more players back in the 0.24 than it has now.

Current balance system based on ELO of both teams is not ideal and while it has certain flaws I suppose it's the best VG can offer right now. We can only complain about it and nothing will be changed in due time imo. Oh well.
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16.05.2019, 10:50

wllayco wrote:Keep in mind that this game probably had more players back in the 0.24 than it has now.

I don't even think that we had EU server back then, only RU. And the game had 15 or 10 tiers, and expanded by -1/+1 of 1 minute of not finding a match. And there were fewer modes then (TDM wasn't a thing at first, only Battery Retrieval). Yeah, perfect balance and "apparent" higher playerbase. I'm not saying that it's that much better now, it has flaws like you say, but people remember only the good things, not stuff like you starting with TT-33 your first match or that were was no Mosin/PPSH as free starter weapons or that AKM dealt more damage to Shturm armor than Ash-12 deals now to Zubr.
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