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05.08.2019, 14:58

I love this game. I love it so much that I even worked on a single-tier balance spreadsheet that was the basis for the majority of the game's tier re-design.

I didn't even get any thanks for it, which kinda sucked, but whatever. I just wanted Survarium to...survive. I really, really didn't want to make this post, but it has to be done.

Zubr Chest Armor is a huge crutch. If you want to play well, you need it. I dare you to check every single top 100 players loadout. You will find at least 90% Zubrs.

Armor balance is a huge problem and was 100% an afterthought.

HEAVY armors should only reduce BTK by one at all ranges, 35% more protection against SMGs.

Rebalance bonus: Much lower speed penalty than currently. Should be given 10 HP/s regen speed as a bonus.

MEDIUM armors should only reduce BTK by one at more than 25m, 15% more protection against SMGs.

Rebalance bonus: Should have the most supply/ammo, and a much longer stamina.

WEAK armors should only reduce BTK by one at more than 50m.

Rebalance bonus: Absolutely zero speed penalty regardless of weapon held. Extra ammo, infinite sprint.

Very, very easy to do and will fix 99% of the balance problems in the game at the moment.
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05.08.2019, 15:09

xR0ger:Zubr Chest Armor is a huge crutch. If you want to play well, you need it.


I did 58-10 with my troll profile yesterday (NO zubr, funny green hat and Clown mask).

If u want i could do more proofs, maybe using t1 weapon additionally?
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05.08.2019, 16:05

xR0ger:
Zubr Chest Armor is a huge crutch. If you want to play well, you need it.


Zubr armor is heavy and it slows down your character. Maybe you will be surprised, but among the players with 3000+ ELO at least half use a different set than Zubr. Much more gives you strafing movement than the armor itself.
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05.08.2019, 16:21

Keeper set is much better all around, but having the regeneration bonus of zubr is convenient.

In the current state armor doesn't matter much and in my opinion the gap between the protection values from light to heavy should be larger.

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05.08.2019, 16:59

xR0ger wrote:If you want to play well, you need it. I dare you to check every single top 100 players loadout. You will find at least 90% Zubrs.

Like the others have said, this is not true. Besides, there are many armors that can reach the 76 protection value or very very close to it.

xR0ger wrote:Should be given 10 HP/s regen speed as a bonus.

It already has very fast hp regen, this would be insane, especially considering that Defense Totem is used by many nowadays and it regens hp pretty fast.

xR0ger wrote:at more than 25m

You would be ruining the playstyle for a lot of users with this. Distances in Survarium are shorter than they look.

xR0ger wrote:99% of the balance problems in the game at the moment.

Zubr is not an issue right now. Snipers that aim too fast and have no penalties for shooting while falling or sprinting are. Plus some insanely fast reloads with sets like Keeper on guns like AK-12, but that's another story.
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05.08.2019, 19:45

apfelmu2:

I did 58-10 with my troll profile yesterday (NO zubr, funny green hat and Clown mask).

If u want i could do more proofs, maybe using t1 weapon additionally?


If I wanted to watch a mediocre pub-stomp, I'd tune into your livestream. I get it, I get it. Tongue-in-cheek humour aside, this isn't a contest. I've pooped on people using only a Mosin, and an Uzi and you don't see me barging into discussions with this vitriol.

Literally anyone can pubstomp if they're a decent player. It has no bearing on anything here in this discussion at all.

Albi:

Zubr armor is heavy and it slows down your character. Maybe you will be surprised, but among the players with 3000+ ELO at least half use a different set than Zubr. Much more gives you strafing movement than the armor itself.


You're wrong. Very wrong. I've inspected 40 loadouts and counting via Survarium.Pro, and so far I have spotted at least 2 or 3 Zubr sets.

For the record, ELO literally means nothing. Getting in a 3-stack with other good players means you can dominate the enemy team - if you play together. It's super, super easy in this game to do well.

Case in point, I'm just goofing around in the LSD clan, and I get called a hacker. Why? LSD play on a teamspeak together regularly, they're average players but they work well as a team. Bam, hackusations.

Mieshuora:Keeper set is much better all around, but having the regeneration bonus of zubr is convenient.

In the current state armor doesn't matter much and in my opinion the gap between the protection values from light to heavy should be larger.


Not sure if we're playing the same game.

In most cases, Zubr will protect you against two or three more bullets.

Chandrian:
Like the others have said, this is not true. Besides, there are many armors that can reach the 76 protection value or very very close to it.


It already has very fast hp regen, this would be insane, especially considering that Defense Totem is used by many nowadays and it regens hp pretty fast.


You would be ruining the playstyle for a lot of users with this. Distances in Survarium are <a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/248211914088382465/600035060200112128/h27JXRb.png" class="postlink than they look.


Zubr is not an issue right now. Snipers that aim too fast and have no penalties for shooting while falling or sprinting are. Plus some insanely fast reloads with sets like Keeper on guns like AK-12, but that's another story.


1. Can it reach the protection value of Zubr? No. So, you're wrong. I implore you to actually do some research and come back to this thread. Why do so many people use this set? Pretty much common sense.

2. If you're going to go this slow, having a little faster health-regen won't hurt anyone. It can easily be fixed by increasing the time it takes to regen overall. Totems are a bit bullshit right now.

3. Well, I threw around ballpark figures. Maybe I'm wrong then in this case, kudos to you.

4. We're both good players, I've killed you countless times before and so have you. I have a weirdly good memory. I actually asked you once to run around with Zubr and a fully modded Kriss Vector. You did much better then you did with your AK-12 setup. Because you had good speed and insane rate of fire. People couldn't kill you fast enough.

Zubr is a super cheesy crutch at the moment. The amount of protection is so high, that those extra bullets make a pretty nasty difference.
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05.08.2019, 22:49

More of a problem with the premium sets bonusses.

Take a look at the premium bison set vs the normal zubr set and the premium voyager set vs the normal pilgrim set.

Every good player will understand the premium set bonusses are better, that's why we see the "top" players constantly using these sets.

Here is a quick comparison I made: https://imgur.com/a/jUzBPNZ

Im not gonna bother explaining, if you have a working brain you will easily see it.
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06.08.2019, 07:54

xR0ger:I love this game. I love it so much that I even worked on a single-tier balance spreadsheet that was the basis for the majority of the game's tier re-design.

I didn't even get any thanks for it, which kinda sucked, but whatever. I just wanted Survarium to...survive. I really, really didn't want to make this post, but it has to be done.

Zubr Chest Armor is a huge crutch. If you want to play well, you need it. I dare you to check every single top 100 players loadout. You will find at least 90% Zubrs.

Armor balance is a huge problem and was 100% an afterthought.

HEAVY armors should only reduce BTK by one at all ranges, 35% more protection against SMGs.

Rebalance bonus: Much lower speed penalty than currently. Should be given 10 HP/s regen speed as a bonus.

MEDIUM armors should only reduce BTK by one at more than 25m, 15% more protection against SMGs.

Rebalance bonus: Should have the most supply/ammo, and a much longer stamina.

WEAK armors should only reduce BTK by one at more than 50m.

Rebalance bonus: Absolutely zero speed penalty regardless of weapon held. Extra ammo, infinite sprint.

Very, very easy to do and will fix 99% of the balance problems in the game at the moment.

I wish ppl would stop acting CoD. It can be considered a medical diagnosis already.
right now zubr is the only armor to go.
complains should be about medium and especially light armor. its extremely abusive to use it. its fast and there r no penalties when moving running. I hate light armor with all my heart. its one reason, I believe lowers the quality of the game by a huge margin.
and u r not right. most top players with 40 30 or less delay, use light armor. I cant even see a difference in terms of damage taken between heavy armor and light armor. and I really hate those rabbits running from one side of the base to the other side in Rudnya in less then 10 sec. and battery mode is shit because of light armor aka speed and spawn protection.
plus, there r no penalties in light armor. just run and press fire into general direction while holding light click - the very definition of arcade.
I can give u 20 30 immortals in light armor and delay under 20. their reaction is so fast - turns and aiming - that u r dead before seeing the enemy on screen. low delay light armor players kill u before u can actually see them
NO
light armor should have speed reduced 3 4 5 times and advantages when using artifacts.
right now, heavy armor is the only realistic set. I would bann anyone abusing light armor. the league is infested with 30 delay or less rabbits running like crazy all over the map in sick angles and stupid jumps.
if u really wanna come up with armor balance, better start with the major issue witch is ARMOR SETS. these sets r among the worst additions because it killed what little variety still had.
go clear ur mind of CoD. watch some Red Orchestra or something similar. its one solution to cure urself of CoD
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06.08.2019, 09:30

Zubr is the only set that keeps TTK in, somewhat, comprehensible range. And even then, all that extra protection is negated by 3x headshot damage multiplier so you go down as fast as other armor sets.

Now Bison on the other hand is indeed better, as Verlagen has shown. -15% slowdown when aiming and -4%(!!!) slowdown is huge, compared to Zubr set bonuses (and some extra armor if I'm not mistaken). It's just a perfect set of armor for assault for those who are willing to lay out some shekels.
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06.08.2019, 10:31

Verlagen:More of a problem with the premium sets bonusses.

Take a look at the premium bison set vs the normal zubr set and the premium voyager set vs the normal pilgrim set.

Every good player will understand the premium set bonusses are better, that's why we see the "top" players constantly using these sets.

Here is a quick comparison I made: https://imgur.com/a/jUzBPNZ

Im not gonna bother explaining, if you have a working brain you will easily see it.


Exactly. This is something I was going to bring up in another discussion.

Survarium has always been pay to get advantage, but now it is directly pay to win.
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06.08.2019, 10:34

UnknownPlayer666:Zubr is the only set that keeps TTK in, somewhat, comprehensible range. And even then, all that extra protection is negated by 3x headshot damage multiplier so you go down as fast as other armor sets


true


@da capo stop acting like cod is the biggest crap on earth, u seriously dont know what youre talking about. i agree that many cod titles were crap but not all. cod2 was one of the biggest skill-based games beside quake, cs, rainbow 6. this game was the Definition of competitive gaming.
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06.08.2019, 10:47

apfelmu2:


Funny thing is, the new MW is shaping up to be more hardcore than Survarium, in terms of movement speed, ADS speed and even recoil. da_capo's crusade against COD will soon end xD.
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06.08.2019, 11:00

UnknownPlayer666:Funny thing is, the new MW is shaping up to be more hardcore than Survarium, in terms of movement speed, ADS speed and even recoil. da_capo's crusade against COD will soon end xD.


agree, this upcoming MW looks rly good. if it is that good as it looks, i cant wait to master it =)
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06.08.2019, 13:38

apfelmu2:

@da capo stop acting like cod is the biggest crap on earth, u seriously dont know what youre talking about. i agree that many cod titles were crap but not all. cod2 was one of the biggest skill-based games beside quake, cs, rainbow 6. this game was the Definition of competitive gaming.


true CoD 2 was a good game.
man I did my studies and Im pretty confident on my statements. soon after CoD 2, formula has been changed, somewhere around 2008 2009. that was the moment, the entire FPS universe became trash. the concept was to satisfy self inflicted egos with as less effort as possible. it went from strategic game play, mission objective, FPS skill and atmospheric environment to kills confirmation on screen. there r plenty of articles on internet about it. it describes exactly how CoD killed FPS genre of any kind. here r some examples:
https://www.giantbomb.com/forums/call-o ... e-1795829/
https://www.thegamer.com/15-ways-call-o ... d-the-fps/
https://www.pcgamer.com/call-of-duty-re ... interview/
https://www.destructoid.com/did-call-of ... 8666.phtml
https://www.cinemablend.com/games/Did-C ... 34994.html

u can actually find thousands of articles on the subject. and yes, CoD - apart from the first and second one - r the WORST EVER games on the market since FOREVER. those games were designed for consumption only. developers realized that most customers r indeed stupid - or lets say, way below average - and they needed to target them. majority of ppl r willing to pay money just to satisfy their egos. CoD developers knows all these and they actively target majority of ppl just because its the only source of income.

truth is, CoD killed the FPS experience and this is not debatable in the same way Kurt Cobain killed the metal industry

UnknownPlayer666:Funny thing is, the new MW is shaping up to be more hardcore than Survarium, in terms of movement speed, ADS speed and even recoil. da_capo's crusade against COD will soon end xD.


new MW is crap, looks like crap and feels like crap. Ive seen ppl praising Far Cry 5 and that game is crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnaw2PQoFyc

cheers both of u
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06.08.2019, 14:15

Stay on topic, lads.

@da_capo, watch your language, I can't be deleting entire sentences from your posts.
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06.08.2019, 14:36

da_capo:those games were designed for consumption only. developers realized that most customers r indeed stupid - or lets say, way below average - and they needed to target them. majority of ppl r willing to pay money just to satisfy their egos.


i dont think thats a cod thing only… same goes for Battlefield 5 and many many more games. Quality of games generally sank to its absolut Minimum within past years.
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06.08.2019, 14:46

apfelmu2:

i dont think thats a cod thing only… same goes for Battlefield 5 and many many more games. Quality of games generally sank to its absolut Minimum within past years.

no
its only CoD
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06.08.2019, 15:07

da_capo:
no
its only CoD


It's not. Most big company's that produce AAA games are only looking to make money. The game industry is commercialised from top to bottom.

So yes, Battlefield too.
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06.08.2019, 15:16

Verlagen:

It's not. Most big company's that produce AAA games are only looking to make money. The game industry is commercialised from top to bottom.

So yes, Battlefield too.

u dont understand. its only CoD. they started the trend design for majority of customers - witch r stupid most of them - and all the others followed - for money. every other game followed the same trend since CoD introduced it. u can find thousands of articles online on the subject. everything was design to target stupid ppl for money because those r the majority willing to spend money. this is not an offence or coarse language. Im not offending anyone. its just the truth
guess who invented microtransactions

cheers

btw the only chance for good quality FPS stands with indie devs. if any, coz money r a big deal
and btw again I HATE CoD AND EVERYTHING RELATED TO COD
I HATE IT
where r bigger caps locks
I HATE COD and thats why I HATE LIGHT ARMOR IN SURVARIUM
I HATE LIGHT ARMOR IN SURVARIUM
I HATE LIGHT ARMOR IN SURVARIUM
I HATE LIGHT ARMOR IN SURVARIUM
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06.08.2019, 16:22

O_o
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