Treasure hunt - VSS, when was it last time ?

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09.02.2017, 10:40

Cooper_:
That said, people that had atleast one faction maxxed out when Treasure Hunt got introduced, could very well call any rare gun below T10 pay to win, because they have no option to earn them, but to buy the premium versions!


Pay but not win. What do you want to win with T2 rare gun (Neostead)?
I'd rather call it, pay to have all stuff.
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09.02.2017, 10:59

Tanatloc:T2 rare gun (Neostead)

I would call it: "Pay and Cry" :P
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09.02.2017, 11:49

Well neostead is the worst example you could bring up, but its fine to ignore the point i guess.

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09.02.2017, 12:08

I have to agree with people that *most* of the buyable guns are more powerful than regular guns.
Let's hope that this issue will be resolved when 0.46 comes out
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09.02.2017, 12:26

Cooper_:Well neostead is the worst example you could bring up, but its fine to ignore the point i guess.

Do I need to remind you people that Neostead is the single most OP weapon in the game? C'mon, it has bigger mag than Jackhammer, lower recoil than Jackhammer, weights less, is more accurate, has faster aim time and shares the distance value. And that's comparing T2 gun to T10! Simply OP!!

But more seriously, what's the point of this topic now? The question in starting post was answered, for spare parts being P2W we have this topic viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12948 , in latest Q&A we got answered that changes to TH can be expected "in one of the next updates"...

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09.02.2017, 13:54

Tsjuder:
Do I need to remind you people that Neostead is the single most OP weapon in the game? C'mon, it has bigger mag than Jackhammer, lower recoil than Jackhammer, weights less, is more accurate, has faster aim time and shares the distance value. And that's comparing T2 gun to T10! Simply OP!!

But more seriously, what's the point of this topic now? The question in starting post was answered, for spare parts being P2W we have this topic , in latest Q&A we got answered that changes to TH can be expected "in one of the next updates"...


Well i cant vouch for the rest, but my point was: Barret and Jack isn't pay to win, the guns you are "unable" to win from TH technically are, up until they implement "said" changes about TH, which i'am very well aware of. And this is the most unbiased comment you could read here.
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09.02.2017, 17:03

Cooper_:
the guns you are "unable" to win from TH technically are

If VG would introduce to us new weapon - bad smell breath, which would take 5 HP from enemy only from melee range (as you can see - very bad weapon, but fancy) and you could buy it only with real money, you would describe it as pay to win weapon? It's rather pay to have unlocked everything.

IMO, pay to win is a weapon which you cannot obtain in other way than paying and gives significant advantage, to win so-called end game. Buying lower tier guns could be called pay to skip/progress (most of rare guns in this game are better than common ones, so owner is progressing faster/making more kills). The same is with buying spare parts - it's pay to skip/progress for newbies. They will not play better than veterans on T10 matches, if they buy tons of spare parts and every rare gun below T10.
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09.02.2017, 17:40

Cooper_:Even that is not true, because both Pancor and Barret rolls into the weekly Treasure Hunt, in which you can get them for free (let's not talk about your chances for it though...)

That said, people that had atleast one faction maxxed out when Treasure Hunt got introduced, could very well call any rare gun below T10 pay to win, because they have no option to earn them, but to buy the premium versions!

Tresure hunt is nothing more than way how to make look Pancor and Barrett as not Pay2Win. Only not smart person at all can consider RNG system with very low chance as a viable option. Other thing is that Treasure hunt is broken AF.
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09.02.2017, 18:50

As expected, nobody gets the point. I'am done on my part. Beleive what you decided to beleive instead of looking at it technically and non-biased.

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10.02.2017, 00:46

Am, i must react to this.
Sharid and some others, have completely misunderstood what means P2W. Pls google it.
Ill give an example.

What IS Pay to win:
- regular VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen
- 3000 gold VSS vinto has 40/70 damage pen

What ISNT Pay to win:
- regular VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen
- 3000 gold VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen + 25% silver gain

Do you see it now ? Or still zippo ?
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10.02.2017, 16:08

Titannium:Am, i must react to this.
Sharid and some others, have completely misunderstood what means P2W. Pls google it.
Ill give an example.

What IS Pay to win:
- regular VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen
- 3000 gold VSS vinto has 40/70 damage pen

What ISNT Pay to win:
- regular VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen
- 3000 gold VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen + 25% silver gain

Do you see it now ? Or still zippo ?

Are you an ignorant or just not that smart as you think? We know very well what P2W means.
As example you are using weapon you can only get for real money. Indeed, this weapon has counterpart in VSK-94, but also has some features which are superior to mentioned weapon. Silencer by default without decreased range, 3x-6x scope. Ok, this is hardly P2W. Still pretty stupid example.
Take a look on Barrett and Jackhammer. Jackhamer doesnt even has counterpart among regular weapons and it is overpowered AF.
Closest weapon to Barret in stats is ASVK, but we know very well what makes Barrett much better.
...and no, RNG system with very low drop rates is not valid option how to get those two (some people didnt even have them as option in Treashure hunt). It is just fooles poor excuse.
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10.02.2017, 20:01

Titannium:Am, i must react to this.
Sharid and some others, have completely misunderstood what means P2W. Pls google it.
Ill give an example.

What IS Pay to win:
- regular VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen
- 3000 gold VSS vinto has 40/70 damage pen

What ISNT Pay to win:
- regular VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen
- 3000 gold VSS vinto has 30/60 damage/pen + 25% silver gain

Do you see it now ? Or still zippo ?


it seems you're still zippo-premium Jackhammer costs money, plain Jackhammer is impossible to obtain.
Premium Barrett costs money, regular Barrett is impossible to obtain.
Get it now?

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10.02.2017, 21:34

Sharid REPORTED for offense, talk to admins since now only.

deusex2: you still dont get it. nevermind. youll get it later. MUCH later.
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10.02.2017, 22:05

Titannium:Sharid REPORTED for offense, talk to admins since now only.

deusex2: you still dont get it. nevermind. youll get it later. MUCH later.


Putting in your own term, you're still zippo, it seems. Please read Sharid's post again, it contains all the explanation you need. It's ok, we can wait, so feel free to read it multiple times, until you finally understand...

It's ok, we're aware it's gonna take a LONG time.

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10.02.2017, 22:13

deusex2:

Putting in your own term, you're still zippo, it seems. Please read Sharid's post again, it contains all the explanation you need. It's ok, we can wait, so feel free to read it multiple times, until you finally understand...

It's ok, we're aware it's gonna take a LONG time.

You are totaly out of order, bro. Nevermind. Read it again, and maybe , just maybe you will understand it in next 20 yrs. But probably not.
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10.02.2017, 22:18

deusex2:

Putting in your own term, you're still zippo, it seems. Please read Sharid's post again, it contains all the explanation you need. It's ok, we can wait, so feel free to read it multiple times, until you finally understand...

It's ok, we're aware it's gonna take a LONG time.

Titannium:
You are totaly out of order, bro. Nevermind. Read it again, and maybe , just maybe you will understand it in next 20 yrs. But probably not.

Neither of you will understand the other one, never. There's actually nothing even to understand, so just let slide, both of you.

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11.02.2017, 02:01

Titannium:Sharid REPORTED for offense, talk to admins since now only.

deusex2: you still dont get it. nevermind. youll get it later. MUCH later.

Please stop embarrassing yourself and try to find some reasonable argumet. Thank you.
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11.02.2017, 02:34

Although discussions around P2W are always contentious, please continue to be civil to each other so the discussion may continue.
Thank you.
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11.02.2017, 17:13

Back to initial purpose of the topic, it would be nice if something is done to have all "rare items" on the treasure hunt. I remember someone suggested the possibility to choose the tier of the treasure hunt. I remember Joe saying it's an interesting idea, and submitting it to devs. This was a long time ago now and still no feedback on it.

There hase been tiny updates since the implementation of the new treasure hunt system; those updates brought nice small features. But nothing regarding treasure hunt which is I believe, not hard to program. It would be nice to know if the idea was considered by the devs by doing a statement like "we implement the possibility to choose tier of the treasure hunt", or "no we won't follow this idea for whatever reason".
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13.02.2017, 08:42

Angel Fox:I remember someone suggested the possibility to choose the tier of the treasure hunt. I remember Joe saying it's an interesting idea, and submitting it to devs. This was a long time ago now and still no feedback on it.


Because it is better to give us the "SparepartsbyGoldoption" feature :)
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